Legislature(2021 - 2022)DAVIS 106

03/23/2022 08:00 AM House EDUCATION

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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Consideration of Governor’s Appointees: TELECONFERENCED
Professional Teaching Practices Commission
<Above Item Removed from Agenda>
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 108 CONCURRENT SECONDARY & TRADE SCHOOL TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 108(EDC) Out of Committee
+= HB 312 ALLOW NATURAL HAIRSTYLES TELECONFERENCED
Moved HB 312 Out of Committee
+= HB 350 SCHOOL BOND DEBT REIMBURSEMENT TELECONFERENCED
Moved HB 350 Out of Committee
             HB 350-SCHOOL BOND DEBT REIMBURSEMENT                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:10:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR STORY  announced that  the next  order of business  would                                                              
be  HOUSE BILL  NO. 350,  "An  Act relating  to  school bond  debt                                                              
reimbursement; and providing for an effective date."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:10:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND,  as prime  sponsor, stated  that HB  350 simply                                                              
would  open up  the process  for school  districts to  collaborate                                                              
with  the governing  bodies  within  their communities  to  create                                                              
school bonds  for presentation to  their voters.  She  added that,                                                              
according  to the Department  of Education  and Early  Development                                                              
(DEED),  the process  would  take  a couple  of  years before  the                                                              
first  set  of  bond  issues would  come  before  voters  and  the                                                              
legislature, thus  the fiscal note would be indeterminate.   There                                                              
would  not   be  a  funding   commitment  until  2024,   when  the                                                              
legislature and the  governor could agree to return  to the school                                                              
bond  debt  reimbursement  promises,  as made  and  fulfilled  for                                                              
decades.     She  urged  the   committee  to  move   the  proposed                                                              
legislation   to  the   House  Finance   Committee  where   future                                                              
implications could be discussed.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:12:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   PRAX   questioned   whether   Legislative   Legal                                                              
Services  has  been  consulted  on  the  issue  of  one  community                                                              
obligating  the  entire  state  to  pay  for  school  bonds.    He                                                              
expressed  the  concern that  the  state  would be  committing  to                                                              
bonds without a statewide vote.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND  responded that  the legislature is  mandated to                                                              
spend  a   certain  amount  of   funding  on  rural   schools  and                                                              
communities  that do  not  have taxing  authority.   She  asserted                                                              
that  the Alaska  State  Constitution  directs  that a  system  of                                                              
public  schools  be  maintained,   which  not  only  means  paying                                                              
teachers  and providing  students  with transportation,  but  also                                                              
maintaining school  facilities.  She argued that  communities with                                                              
taxing authority  contribute to  the operation of  schools through                                                              
the  foundation  formula and  also  contribute  when a  school  is                                                              
built,  repaired,  or remodeled.    She  directed attention  to  a                                                              
spreadsheet  from 2015,  showing that  when the  school bond  debt                                                              
moratorium was first  put in place there were  21 school districts                                                              
around  the  state that  had  bond  issues  at various  levels  of                                                              
repayment,  including  all the  urban  school districts  that  had                                                              
passed a  significant amount  of bond  issues.   She said  that in                                                              
2015 Senate Bill  64 [passed during the Twenty-Ninth  Alaska State                                                              
Legislature]  ended school  bond reimbursement  for new bond  debt                                                              
from  2016 until  2020.   In  2020  the legislature  extended  the                                                              
moratorium  to 2025.   Since 2015,  only Anchorage  and the  North                                                              
Slope Burrough have  put school bonds before their  voters, taking                                                              
on  100 percent  of the  responsibility  for paying  off the  bond                                                              
debts.  She stressed  that paying off the debt is  expensive.  She                                                              
said that  before the  moratorium the  state reimbursed  Anchorage                                                              
an average  of 65 percent  of school bond  debt.  She  offered the                                                              
comparison  that  a property  tax  before  the moratorium  of  $35                                                              
would  equal a  $100  property  tax now.    She deduced  that  the                                                              
proposed legislation  would actually be  a tax reduction  on local                                                              
property taxes.   She  expressed appreciation  for the  support of                                                              
the proposed legislation.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX stated  that  he understands  the history  of                                                              
school bond  debt in the state;  he expressed the belief  that the                                                              
problem would  be that  [a decision  to build  a new school  would                                                              
force  those who  have no  voice  in the  matter to  pay for  that                                                              
school].   He questioned  whether Legislative  Legal Services  has                                                              
been asked  for an  opinion.  He  argued that  the vote  on school                                                              
bonds should be put to the legislature.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:17:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOPKINS  posed the question to  Representative Prax                                                              
on how  the proposed legislation  would not conform to  the Alaska                                                              
State Constitution, specially.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX  explained that, in  his opinion, it  would be                                                              
unfair for  certain communities to  obligate the legislature.   He                                                              
stated that  the legislature is  supposed to represent  the entire                                                              
state, but  the legislature would not  get a vote on  bond issues.                                                              
He  said, "For  four years  I've  watched bond  elections and  ...                                                              
their selling point is somebody else is going to pay for it."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HOPKINS stated  that  [school bond  reimbursement]                                                              
was in  effect for several  decades before the 2015  cancellation.                                                              
He  asserted  that  if school  bond  debt  reimbursement  was  not                                                              
legally sound,  then it  would have  been challenged decades  ago.                                                              
He voiced his strong support of HB 350.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:18:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CRONK expressed  the  understanding  that any  new                                                              
bonds  after  2015 would  not  be  reimbursed,  and HB  350  would                                                              
continue  only  what was  in  place  before  2015.   He  requested                                                              
clarification that  any bonds after 2015, up to  this point, would                                                              
not be reimbursed.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:19:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  DRUMMOND  stated that,  prior  to  2015, the  state  was                                                              
reimbursing  school bond  debt.   She asserted  that the  proposed                                                              
legislation  would  simply  return  to  the  procedures  in  place                                                              
before 2015.   She pointed out that the indeterminate  fiscal note                                                              
for the  proposed legislation relays  that DEED does not  know how                                                              
many  municipalities  would qualify  under  the program  and  when                                                              
they may  seek voter approval  for new  school capital debt.   The                                                              
school  districts  and  municipalities  would work  with  DEED  to                                                              
determine  projects  that  would  qualify  and  to  determine  the                                                              
reimbursement  amount.   She  stated that  a  new school  building                                                              
would qualify  at a  different level  of reimbursement  than major                                                              
repairs of  school facilities.   She stated that DEED  maintains a                                                              
list of  priority capital projects  that is currently  around $200                                                              
million.   She added that every  school district in the  state has                                                              
projects which qualify  for reimbursement.  She  said that capital                                                              
funds should be  applied to those projects "because  the state may                                                              
stop reimbursing,  but the  kids don't  stop trooping  through the                                                              
schools ... and  the buildings continue to wear and  tear and need                                                              
repair."  She argued that the state is way behind on this.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:22:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   STORY  observed   that  once   new  school  bond   debt                                                              
reimbursement  is approved,  the  Matanuska-Susitna Borough  would                                                              
have  more  new   bonds;  because  of  the  increase   in  student                                                              
enrollment,  new buildings  would be  needed.   She expressed  the                                                              
opinion that  it is the state's  responsibility to help,  and this                                                              
is a way to help.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:22:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HOPKINS moved to  report HB  350 out of  committee                                                              
with  individual  recommendations   and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                              
notes.  There being  no objection, HB 350 was reported  out of the                                                              
House Education Standing Committee.                                                                                             

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Draft CS for HB 108 versionW.pdf HEDC 3/23/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 108
HB 108 Version W Legal Services memo.22-150mjt.pdf HEDC 3/23/2022 8:00:00 AM
HB 108
FN HB108CS(EDC)-EED-SSA-3-17-22.pdf HEDC 3/23/2022 8:00:00 AM
HL&C 4/4/2022 3:15:00 PM
HB 108